Supernash wrote:

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60 is fine. I used UMDW in both shops but still inside an abs tube. I suggest an unfused disconnect in the shop before the panel.

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 X2 on the abs

Thanks guys. I am building on rock will definitely use tube. Some (US) use individual wires to pass through the tubes.

Now I am confused, everywhere I look 60A requires a 6 gauge wire?

Are you using aluminium or copper wire .l had a 100 ft 

Run to my garage and aluminium was 60% less cost.

100 amp service

Aluminium is fine for service panels .Hydro uses alumium wire from the street to the mast .

Slim wrote:

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Aluminium is fine if you terminate the ends with the proper connectors . 

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        This is correct; been through this with 'MY' Electrician.

junior

58chev wrote:

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Guess areas differ.

For TO area, 20"-24" deep or deeper with a trace wire end to end.

I have a smaller 40AMP to my shop and ran 8GA ( as required by the ESA ) , I would not run 10GA for 60AMP
Stick to 6GA, don't forget that distance will play a part in what size wire also.

My shop was built 9 years ago.

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 i am with frank on the 6ga as you really only want to do this the one time. i did a little snoop and that would add about a 100.00 to the 60ft. because of the rock i would run it inside a 1 1/4" poly water pipe, no connections, 75.00 X 100ft roll at the depot. i would also run a 3/4" poly with it, no connections,  maybe 2 of them and all with pull wires. you never know 2-3yrs from now or a future buyer. one  3/4" for soft wiring, alarm-telephone-cable for a tv, etc.  and one for possible water out there for the warmer months. 3/4" X 100ft roll at the depot, 17.00 each. it's easy to blow the water line out for the winter with an air pig.

 i remember some years ago a couple of us helped a bud out doing the same thing in rock but it was maybe 15 to 20ft and he put sand top and bottom of the 2 pipes he used, no water, but i don't recall if the sand was code or a personal choice. if i had to guess the hole was 2 to 2.5 ft depth.

. and again just me, i see mention of aluminum wire being used for the underground and it is probably doable properly and up to code but any hint of aluminum wire anywhere to an insurance company puts their ears up the couple of times i have run into it.

--is the whole 60ft distance in rock henry? you are in the hard stuff up there not flaky limestone or the odd big granite boulder.

I have been reading the garage journal about BONDING the ground and neutral on a sub pnl and there is a lot written on it(making my head spin).

I am going to use a new( I bought it about 12 years ago) generator pnl to use in my garage. It has the two main breakers tied together by a bar.

I will post some pic's when I get some shots of inside.

Here is the inside of the pnl I want to use. Could someone tell me how to or about bonding/ non bonding from this pic. Also here is a crappy pic of the under cottage.

phone wont flash

Thanks. The neutral bars(white feed wire is supported by plastic standoffs so that should be good?

The white wire from the neutral is into the clamp that is held on by that screw, if that is what you are asking about.

Yep, just didn't see the neutral wire.

You're good to go.

Joe,

The ground bar is at the bottom. 

shag766 wrote:

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because of the rock i would run it inside a 1 1/4" poly water pipe, no connections, 75.00 X 100ft roll at the depot. i would also run a 3/4" poly with it, no connections,  maybe 2 of them and all with pull wires. you never know 2-3yrs from now or a future buyer. one  3/4" for soft wiring, alarm-telephone-cable for a tv, etc.  and one for possible water out there for the warmer months. 3/4" X 100ft roll at the depot, 17.00 each. it's easy to blow the water line out for the winter with an air pig.

 i remember some years ago a couple of us helped a bud out doing the same thing in rock but it was maybe 15 to 20ft and he put sand top and bottom of the 2 pipes he used, no water, but i don't recall if the sand was code or a personal choice. if i had to guess the hole was 2 to 2.5 ft depth.

. and again just me, i see mention of aluminum wire being used for the underground and it is probably doable properly and up to code but any hint of aluminum wire anywhere to an insurance company puts their ears up the couple of times i have run into it.

--is the whole 60ft distance in rock henry? you are in the hard stuff up there not flaky limestone or the odd big granite boulder.

 

On the ESA site we can use polyethylene pipe that is CSA Standard B 137.1. I went on HDepot's web site but they do not list that info in the description. Will have to drop in and see what they have.

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henrystoys wrote:

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In looking at the ESA requirements for space around a breaker pnl it only says 1M from the front. I want to put the pnl on the side wall either between the man door and a window or the window and the corner. Does anyone have the dimensions required by the ESA? good day.

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 i would think you are good to go which ever of those 2 spots you choose. that 1M to the front would be taken as a clear 3ft unobstructed space in front of the  panel where ever you choose to put it. mine is in a corner that when the man door is fully open it could probably touch the panel but when closed the space is accessible. i would think it means it can't be put in a cubby hole somewhere that doesn't have a 1m clear opening directly in front of the panel. makes sense. 

 just catching up on this thread henry and i see you got a break on the hydro pole, good for you. did they give you an estimate for the job? just curious is all, i had a new pole put in and they put a new transformer on it but it was a direct replacement not a move. 22-2300.00 if i remember right.