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I am just wondering about importing and exporting a vehicle to and from Ontario into the USA, I would be trading a modified vehicle for another modified vehicle, it would be an even trade so no money changing hands between the 2 of us, so now what is involved as far as paperwork, importing getting an ownership into my name and what would it cost to do all this, the vehicle I would be trading for is at an asking price of $30,000.00 US and is also going to b done privately, not a dealer. It's a very tempting deal but would like to know what is involved and should I go for it or not bother if it's going to be a major pain. Thanks for any help with this and advice.



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Best to talk to a customs broker. Border patrol is a pain. And everyone wants a piece of the pie. Best money I spent getting my truck here.

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Thanks Marten, anyone in particular you could recommend, I have a deal where it would be an even trade and it is too good to pass up.

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One of the biggest things the border use to do is have the Vin # 72 hours ahead of time so they can check if it s reported stolen anywhere in the USA and make sure no liens registered against it. That would be my biggest fear with a private trade deal. Sometimes thee is a reason why a deal is too good to pass up. Like Marten suggested, get a broker.

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You will be paying 13% sales tax on the Canadian value of the vehicle you bring into Canada.
The stupid thing here is, if you and another guy trade cars/trucks, you both end up paying the sales tax, even though no money change hands. Now if you trade your vehicle in at a dealer, you pay taxes only on the difference, so I suppose that if a dealer "happened" to have the vehicle you wanted, and you paid a thousand dollars difference, you would pay only $130. sales tax. You just need to know how to get around the greedy gov.

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The 72 hours mentioned above is exactly true and when I cross at Sarnia, they asked and verified that I did give 72 hrs. I just brought a car into Canada this past summer and it was frustrating but not that bad. The important thing is making sure you know the rules and have all the paperwork. There are web sites that the government puts up that are helpful but there is one that you have to use and I can't think of the name of it. It costs you $75 U.S. I believe and there is no way around it. The frustrating part for me was getting on the web site from hotels and luckily the previous owner and his wife were very nice and helpful in helping me get on their computer. The web site basically gives you a shipping label or bill a laden. Whatever it is you have to have it. There's more but I will have to dig for my paperwork.

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Actually it's not just the vin 72 hrs in advance, it is the completion of the web site info I mentioned above. Everything is computer now. I had to print out paperwork at the hotel and get a confirmation email etc. The worst was being on the road and trying to line up all the ducks.

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I would give these guys here a call and explain the situation to them. They might be able to help. Others have used it to bring a vehicle into Canada. They might know on the how to for export as well. simplifiedtradesolutions.com/

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Thanks for all the help guys, appreciate it. It could be done so simple f the government wasn't so greedy and didn't have to have paperwork coming out your wazoo for every little thing. I have no problem paying some tax but when there is no money changing hands there should be a minimal amount of tax paid but of course that's not the way the government sees it.

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I don't understand this thing all the time about the government being greedy. Taxes have been a fact of life since long before any one here was born and will continue to be so most anywhere you choose to live. I love living here and if this is what it costs, so be it. If you don't like the cost of living here, maybe you shouldn't pay and move somewhere else.

As for the trade, the car being traded for is in the US so it is a mote point. If the car was being traded on a lot in Ontario, that is a completely different story and yes, the amount of tax being paid would be less. And don't try cheating on the receipt because when they catch you, you will not only pay the remaining tax, but also a fine equal to half the amount you cheated. As well, you will loose your NEXUS card if you have one and you will be detained at the border every time you cross from then on. So pay the 2K when you cross and the 8% when you plate it. The 30K receipt doesn't hold water when you go to plate it, you have to have an appraisal and maybe you will luck out and the appraised amount will come in well below 30K.

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Well said Warren !!!

1 operarion in the states with no insurance can equal

a lifetime of what we pay in taxes .

A friend of mine bought an AMX in California and decrared 5000.00 at the border .Within days cra called and asked if there was anything he would like to tell them .He was honest at this point and told them he oayed 20,000.00 for the car .

They found the car being offered for sale on ebay at an earlir date .

Although not bought on ebay or even knew that it was being offered there .

By the time they were done the car cost him 40,000.00

And he now has to purchase a waiver to cross into the US and can still be denide access with that !!!!

Some good advice from Warren and it is free!!!!



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Warren when I mean and talk about the greedy government I am no talking about having a problem paying taxes, I agree it is a fact of life and is what makes the country go round so that is not my issue. When I say greedy government I mean the government waste and the amount of deadwood in government, they are taking and wasting more and more of our money each and everyday so that is my beef with greedy government, it shouldn't take so much and so many people to do simple basic services in government. I have no problem paying the tax at the border and registering the vehicle and having an appraisal and paying tax on that, i just don't like taxes on top of taxes.

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I am wondering if it would be better to make the trade here and not across the border if it could be arranged, not sure of this either. Like I mentioned I want to pay the proper tax, not trying to be sneaky as I like to be able to go to bed at night and sleep not having to worry about what if. Thanks again for all the help, much appreciated, and the advice from you too Warren.

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Hibred wrote:

I am wondering if it would be better to make the trade here and not across the border if it could be arranged, not sure of this either. Like I mentioned I want to pay the proper tax, not trying to be sneaky as I like to be able to go to bed at night and sleep not having to worry about what if. Thanks again for all the help, much appreciated, and the advice from you too Warren.


 Something you have to worry about is if the other person will export it from the USA properly. When I brought my Mustang back from LA, I had to do the 72 hour wait. Turned into more like 3 weeks before I could get down there so the wait period was not an issue. I took the paperwork into US customs in Detroit and they took copies of what they needed. 3 weeks later when I showed up with the car, I presented the documentation and the car to US customs. They cleared it and then THEY stamped it "cleared for export". Came over to the Windsor side and was told to go inside to have it processed. First thing that Canada customs asked for was the paperwork to import the car and then they wanted to see that stamp that said "Cleared for export". I was told by Canada customs a month or so prior to me bringing it home to make sure that the title had that stamp on it. If I did not have that stamp on it, Canada customs can send you back and that is not something you want to do. I paid my taxes and was cleared to go. I have a friend that had his own repair shop. He had a car from the states that broke down and they sold it to him. They didn't have the time or money to fix it. When my friend went to change the ownership into his name, MTO told him he would need to take it back to US customs and go through the headache of getting it cleared for export from the US. 

As for me bring the Mustang home, that happened in 2004. As for my friend, think he went through this in 2006. He eventually stripped the car and sold it off for parts. Back then it was easy to bring something home and to deal with it just by yourself. Now we have to have a have the AES ITN prepared and done before we can bring it into Canada.

I can well imagine that some things have changed, but is it worth it to you and for you to do this trade??



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This my take on this subject having brought a car in 1016.

You need a permit to remove any motorized vehicle from the US. The completed documents including the bill of sale must be all there.

On a Monday I picked up the bill of sale and took it to a broker just inside the US at Ogdensburg NY and paid the fee, went to lunch and picked it up after. I could have done it on line(cheaper) but preferred to do it in person as it was only 2 hrs from home.

NOTE in NY a lot of vehicles do not have the VIN # on the registration document. Make sure it is on the bill of sale.

We went back on Friday and picked up the car and brought it to the boarder to have it inspected by the US boarder people.

Once released we went to Canada and went in for an interview and to get my story as to how I found the car, which was owned by a friend who had passed 3 years before. The officer then took all my papers and emails and went on line. He came back and said the price I paid was within range of HenryJ's out there and stamped everything and collect the GST.

Ont then charged me the Ont tax based on the amount collected for GST. No appraisal needed.

I'm sure with you trading the car you still need to show what the car would have sole for in US dollars and pay Canadian tax on that amount.

 

In talking to some Canadians who traded in their motorhome in the US they were taxed in Canada on the US cost of the unit and there trade in allowance was disqualified.

Good luck on your new car purchase. Good day.

 

 



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